Hyphal knots on brf cakes Can't get BRF cakes to pin #25550479 - 10/19/18 02:21 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) Edit : Reply : near what was previously the bottom of the cake appears to be considerable hyphal knots i'd say shes close, make sure the perlite is wet and a couple fans/mists a day until results. org/forums/ One of them has a few primordia and the other appears to have spots of hyphal knots. These knots turn to mushroom pins, which in turn, become fully grown mushrooms – all within the space of a few days. I was wondering why I don't get any hyphal knotting on my brf cakes. Leave just enough room between cakes for the fruits to grow. The evaporation of this moisture from the cakes is a main "triggering" factor for pinning. Please any input is appreciated. I'm 90% sure those are hyphal knots on my cake, but would just love an expert to say "Yes, atta boy, look at you champ" just so I know that some beautiful boomers are on the way! It has now been 5 days since I've placed the cakes in my SGFC and I'm not seeing any pins with the exception of one on a cake. It is a cluster of densely packed hyphae that marks the beginning of the formation of fruiting bodies, ultimately leading to the growth of mature mushrooms. But trying to tell is futile without pics. 8 days later this is the result. Trips is right though as the time goes. These appear as Do not shake grain jars if you inoculated with MS, only shake once they reach 30% colonization, then allow the finish - Tmethyl. 5 half-pint BRF cakes. They don't really look like myc It will almost look like tiny pieces of perlite stuck on your cake. Since I was going to case the grains can I still break them up or has the fruiting process started? Or, can I just fruit them like a BRF cake (didn't think this was possible with grains). Here's my dilemma -- One tray [TRAY THREE] I started a month ago. But I also am noticing an above average amount of metabolites. ive been very patient through this whole process and now it's getting difficult. Waiting on Z-strain and B+ to finish. 1 cake has a pretty large fruit as seen in photo, another cake has started fruiting at multiple points on the cake and the other two are very slow in fruiting. You see, my pet Elephant, who lives in my living room, has been brewing up a I'm in Washington state, with high humidity. Whats with the blob on this cake? Is that considered After you have a well developed pinset it should take them about a week or so to grow up. Like 0. They started popping up yesterday and tons more appeared today. When you see these white blobs, this is a good sign that your mushrooms are pinning. 5mm tiny. I played with different options to promote pinning. McKennaii Magic Hi all It's easy to get a feel for how hyphal knots turn into pins when doing a few internet searches, but not as easy to find info about the prior steps. A place to discuss the growing, hunting, and the experience of magical fungi. Can't tell what's what. Hey everyone. Manual care: BRF cakes require more hands-on care, including regular misting and fanning. I tried that with my last grow, i couldnt push the syringe down for shit If you want to inject water into cakes, you need to a Eventually, I haven't got mushrooms from these cakes at all. When i get a fairly decent first flush on my casing and it comes time to harvesting the fruits, i seem to find it almost impossible I’ve been searching all over and cannot find an answer. How vigorously do you mist BRF cakes in a SGFC? I've read some people say you should just mist the walls of your chamber. In addition, by keeping the casing layer nice and moist, hyphal knots are encouraged to form in the near saturation humidity at the substrate-casing layer junction. it perfect with no contams because of a new sterilizing method. Quote: shirley knott said: they aren't knots, they're probably just mycelium. ----- The fabric Brf cakes turned slightly greyish after 6d and still no growth - Reddit true The cakes and cased grains have been in there for 5 days now. We do not allow mushroom cultivation content, mushroom identification or stash pics - please Hyphal knots are also what we call primordium or pinheads, and the process of forming them is also called “pinning or primordial formation”. Each mushroom cake with stroma overlay was subjected to a number of experiments: fork-tek, fork-tek with rehydration, cold-shocking. They may be covered with mycelium and smells like fr Thanks but that's exactly what I put into grain was a full dish of rhizo it was fluffy but definitely all rhizo, l can't figure out out this is the 3rd time I've had this happen with three different cultivars I get this fluffy tomentose, it has to be the I colonized 6 jars 3 gulf coast 1 cambodian 2 acadian coast in half pint jars using pf tek brf. http://i. Ok, heres the deal. I inoculated These white blobs or bumps are hyphal knots that will continue to grow from the surface of the substrate until they become the mushroom pins. Heya! First and foremost I want to thank everyone for making my Pet Elephant's dream of growing cubies possible. None of the cakes were successful. Ok - first grow - lets call it "spikey" white stuff in the FC coming off the cakes on my 4th day. Primordia (baby mushrooms) will then develop into pins, and Hyphal knot — individual strands of hyphae bundle together and prepare to grow a fruit body. imgur. there was a good amount of standing water on top of the substrate and parts of it was Now 2 of the jars have what appear to be hyphal knots growing on them. I'm growing in a SGFC with 2" perlite base and cakes are double end case in Verm. This is my first grow attempted and everything has been going great. I have 12 half pint BRF cakes, most of which are fully colonized and ready to birth. SGFC, BRF tek, 6 cakes. Here are a couple pics well that is way more than a couple bwtf, it's not going to hurt, MAYBE you can even find one clear enough to see the knots those in the middle are prepins or pins but I I have read most of the posts on this site relevant to my question, but still can't find a definitive answer. Maybe you should up your FAE. Primarily concerned with Posted by u/Anthropocene_Epoch - 3 votes and 5 comments While there are advantages to using BRF cakes, there are also a few drawbacks: Lower yields: BRF cakes typically produce lower yields compared to the monotub method. But I am wondering why when doing BRF cakes to bulk the new substrate that you add is. Waiting for pins. (which is covering my BRF cake already) but the suspected knots are denser and whiter and more consolidated I read somewhere that your supposed to have low FAE right Hyphal knots and primordia hpoo not nearly colonized #10744453 - 07/26/09 05:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) Edit : Reply : containing 2-2. what y I used cakes as well for my substrate. The knots soon grow into tiny dots called primordium, which eventually produce mushrooms that break through the surface as pins. Hyphal knots will appear as tiny little spheres stuck on the myc. r/MushroomGrowers is a supportive community of amateurs and professionals from around the world I can't seem to find good pics of hyphal knotting and I'm not sure what they look like on cakes. 262K subscribers in the MushroomGrowers community. We need to be able to mist it, and have the uncolonized parts absorb and hold moisture, feeding it slowly to the mycelium below. Some do this by filling fruiting chambers with a few inches of water to float and soak their cakes. Please support our sponsors. First I’d wait til you see knots in the jars before you birth. In the first photo I'm seeing a 1#23078677 Reason being that I originally started my grow using BRF cakes so I could finally The first day, after the dunk and roll, let the cakes sit about an hour, mist several times the first day. like pimples all over the place gettin bigger. Standard sgfc, 2 inch holes on 6 sides, 4 inches of perlite, 68-74 degrees, mist & We never want the casing layer to fully colonize. Take the quotes out and let the writeup And what difference does it make that he uses cakes instead of tubs? You think a hyphal knot on a cake is any I have come across a second post in as many days of someone saying there are visable hyphal knots and pins on a cake and there not being any. k. there are some small bumps that come off the cakes, and then there are I have 2 Burma BRF cakes that finished first. To the OP, I see no knots on your cakes, but I also see no holes in your terrarium. yeah perhaps a little early but it is a shitty trail run of a mini monotub with crumbled BRF cakes, 50/50 coir and verm. The camber should be full of cakes with the cakes placed as close together as possible. An epic shot of a I have 2 Burma BRF cakes that finished first. I have a cake Stages of growth (Pictures courtesy of OoBYCoO & kdmmontana) Pinning (Pins forming on BRF cakes) As you introduce your cakes to the many important pinning triggers hyphal knots will begin to form. For the hunting, growing, and consuming of mushrooms. 4 have been in there for ~a week, other two have been in for ~two weeks. Remember not to mist the cakes directly You should probably up your FAE to around 4-5 times a day. Post navigation. Pin, pinhead — a very young mushroom, so-named for the pin-sized developing cap. The mycelium will tightly wind itself, twisting and compacting into what’s referred to as a hyphal knot. Primordial growth is the stage between hyphal knot formation and pinning. From there, a small cluster of visible bumps form on the surface of the *Update* Introduced to fruiting conditions last night, noticed a slight smell and left uncased to monitor for the first day. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more! At this point, you should also see tiny balls of mycelium forming. Content of tray is now pretty much one solid block of myc. But a fuzzy white growth has been slowly moving over the cakes over this time. Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > > Increase FAE. That way you know they’re about to fruit. r/shroomers. Reply reply 2nd flush of PE7 I put two old cakes outside and pe blew up upvotes r/shroomers. Also, there is never new mycelial growth on the new verm after I dunk and roll, just pin formation. When do I know if the cakes are duds? The first stage of a mushroom fruit body is called a hyphal knot. fan 4-6 times a day, mist 3-4 times. Grow room has a musty bacterial smell today and 2”x2” patch of black pin mold on one of the 7 trays. . , are met. Dunked and As you introduce your cakes to the many essential pinning triggers, knots will begin to form. I started a batch of PESA jars (1/2 pt, from spore syringe) 4 weeks ago and a few are starting to show pins. I've read other people say you should mist the cakes directly, and ensure that they're wet and moist at all times (until pinning starts). Hyphal knots look like little lint balls. Originally I had some fuzzy myc (rhizomorph?) growing on the cakes, which was fine, and eventually I'm assuming these are hyphal knots which from my experience on here, are a good sign. Sorry for the typoahem "BRF cakes" I have 4 half-pint BRF cakes that I started fruiting about 9 days ago. Quote: That is near impossible to do, maybe if I use the straw tek. a hyphal knots. There is no such thing as hyphae knots. they are B+ cubes and the hyphal knots have stopped showing any This site includes paid links. my cakes have mycelium growing tiny pencil tip size structures and sum are round. Here is my own example from a recent post I made enquiring if it was myc or hyphal Hyphal knots - looks like polystyrene balls (like what fills a beanbag) but VERY VERY small. Each of my cakes have had fantastic first flushes and now they are finishing up the second flush. I've been searching around and so far the only pic of knots I can find is myc in a jar with some on it. light 12 hours on, 6500 k 60 watt. Pins form about as fast as it takes the mushroom to grow (all this is just my experience currently), and as such you can have hyphal knots that look like pins, or premature pins for upto a week before they take off. I see a lot of people refer to primordia as pins or knots. These are multispore B+ from a personal print. Thank you all in advance for welcoming me into this community! Ive been reading a LOT lately to get this grow right after a failure from a half ass attempt a few years ago. I'm nearing the end of my first pf tek. i have made my first attempt at brf cakes and everything went quite fine there were no bruising/"myc piss"/injar pinning then i left them consolidate for 6 days dunked for 14h and rolled into scfg The thing is, I got Hyphal Knots probably a week or a week and a half after fruiting conditions, but it's been almost a week after and still no pinheads that I can tell, Penis Envy / brf Cakes: cactusguy: 11,312: 5 : 05/23/03 06:34 AM by cactusguy: Birthing Penis Envy question: ingo_2001: 7,630: 1 : 07/28/03 08:36 AM A questions for those who have a bit more expeirence than myself. Synonym with "primordium" 673K subscribers in the shrooms community. The mushroom growth cycle is really cool if you look into it. I've seen no pinning signs at all. Ill give some more pics/details strain b+, temp 70-80 always, humidity 80-100, although it is almost always 90+. What I mean is what is the process that Search Our Site | Search Our Forums 1) your pins will eventualkly form brown/red caps once they move out of the hyphal knot stage ( usually as they gain phototropic direction) 2) about one 4th of them grow to maturity on average when it comes to brf cakes in my 25 votes, 12 comments. r/MushroomGrowers is a supportive community of amateurs and professionals I don't do pf tek but, I'd go out on a limb and say keep misting until you see Hyphal knots once you see Hyphal knots let off of the misting until you have pins. Today I noticed hyphal knots forming in a few of my jars. al. I've had plenty of cakes sit for 2+ weeks before throwing pins, especially PE varieties, so just hang in there and maintain conditions. Is this overlay?? Not sure With that said, you should NEVER flip a cake that has already begun to develop hyphal knots, or primordia. 95 - 100%(for BRF) Close windows to help warm it up Does anyone think this penis envy will pin it’s already formed a lot of hyphal knots but I’ve also heard they are harder to grow especially from brf cakes and I also cased it with Verm+Coir mix. (Even 1 day in a fruiting chamber can show hyphal knot development, which will be hard to find with untrained Lots of hyphal knots, a few primordia, and a few pins sneaking up from under the cash-based casing layer in the upper right. So here's what I'm thinking: continue to mist the cake on the right directly (as it has not shown hyphal knots or primordia); harvest left cake when Pro tip – If there are only a few hyphal knots forming, increasing FAE by a minimal amount has shown to increase the amount and frequency of pin formation, thus resulting in a fuller flush. Cubensis hyphal knots, primordia, and pin, extreme close up! - Tmethyl. I would like to see some pictures of Hey friends, first grow. 309K subscribers in the MushroomGrowers community. There is some fuzz growing through the verm on the cakes but very little to no change on I'd like to see them a bit closer up because I thought I saw a couple spots that looked like primordia,a. Table of Contents - Fruiting Mushrooms and Harvesting Part 2 – Unit 1 Cubensis hyphal knots, primordia, and pin, extreme close up! - Tmethyl Pins on BRF cakes - Tsmtbs07 The kangaroo approves of this monotub pin set - Tmethyl Invitro pinning 1pint BRF(Brown Rice Flour) jars *Jar inverted for picture, do not invert your jars* - Tmethyl I don’t know how long ago you birthed your cake(s), but you have yet to get any hyphal knots. I have about 9 cakes in my terrarium and they've been in there about 2 weeks. I posted one a long time back called 'from knots to When you introduced fruiting conditions at 30-50% colonization was there actually primordia yet or just a bunch of hyphal knots? I’m getting close to 30-50% hyphal knots and I’m curious if I should do what you did instead of waiting till the whole casing layer is basically covered. jpg Any idea what could be causing the sporatic fruiting? 673K subscribers in the shrooms community. It looks like doing PE on BRF cakes is not the easiest way to start. What I feel like I'm mostly seeing is Aerial Mycelium instead of Hyphal knots. But I was just kind of wondering what would happen if you made a hyphal knot transfer, I may just try it, this is of a culture I forgot to label but I am pretty sure I know what it is. A hyphal knot is a critical developmental stage in the life cycle of mushrooms, specifically during the process of fruiting in mushroom cultivation. Posted by u/Embarrassed-Ad4844 - 37 votes and 52 comments For educational purposes. These are hyphal knots and a sign that you’ll be seeing pins soon! #7 Putting Uncle Ben’s Tek Into Fruiting Conditions. Key Characteristics of Hyphal Knots I DO recommend you let the mycelium take a hold and start colonization just so there is a definition between your layers and hyphal knots start to form (areas of condensed mycelium colonization). Anyone got some good pics of casing knotting up? pretty sure I got a whole lots of knots I had 1 left over, extra BRF cake so I decided to fruit the cake in a sgfc instead of putting it into a monotub. it has been colonizing for about 20 days with the surface at about this level of "whiteness" for the past 3 days without much change so I figured this was about as good as it gets. Has happened in about the last day nastos said: hyphal knots-the stage of primordia that occurs before pinning. Are you aware that fresh air is the number 1 pinning trigger? RR Posted by u/[Deleted Account] - 1 vote and no comments Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. It would be crazy to see a 1/2 gallon size cake since BRF cakes are 1/2 pint sized. They are the first visible sign of structures that will eventually grow to become mushrooms, which mushroom growers or I got 10 cakes coming in the SGFC in about a little more than a you could replace SGFC with Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes. This visual cue lets you know that it’s about time to provide ideal conditions for pinning to be successful. The mycelium is just now starting to puff out and get ready to form the knots. Members Online His expertise is in cakes, straw logs, and commercial shiitake. Cased grains start fruiting anywhere the 14th - 21st day after cased. Primarily concerned with There are the big bumps on some parts of my BRF cakes. Primordia - looks like a little nubs Pins - bigger than primordia nubs and with more visible cap colour on the tip Fruit Well Y'all know what that looks like lol. Scooped the mold out and covered the area with salt but ready to take the loss if these trays are toast. My cakes always do that Posted by u/CallMeCa - 6 votes and 18 comments im tryin to find out if my cakes are forming hyphal knots or not. i waited a month for that one to pin which it had some hyphal knots thats Those aren't hyphal knots, its just the mycelium getting fluffy. The metabolites seem normal-ish to me since I let the trays sit fully colonized for about 5 days. Is it like small bumps? koh samui hyphal knots, pins, and condensation art (pics) ( 1 2 all) GestaltAssault: 8,750: 20 : 07/30/03 10:31 AM by dickmcplentie: Its been a week just hyphal knots? PooGrower: Definition of Hyphal Knot. Casing layer promote some hyphal knots that stalled later. I see a lot of people worried when they see primordia formation. they appear as clusters of small 'bumps' omg need pics on BRF looked everywhere: kukusz: 3,949: 6 : 06/10/03 07:42 AM Whats up guys so my talking dog spawned 3 brf cakes to this mini bulk aluminum pan and he opened to fruiting conditions about 6 days ago and he cant tell whether these are hyphal knots or just bumpy. they look like this persons cakes http://www. knots look like what comes out of a beanbag when it bursts on the carpet: do a search for knots. Hi again everyone, I'm hitting the 7th day anniversary since birthing in a SGFC. Too big, i think, to be hyphal knots. One of them has a few primordia and the other appears to have spots of hyphal Search Our Site | Search Our Forums Search Our Forums ☰ New Account | Log In | Contact Us In this video, I will show you what healthy PF tek BRF jars, and bacteria infected jar should look like. They smell just fine. 2nd bump. A lot easier, no onto the perlite. com/JAaWqo9. Then resume misting. Extras: Top: Excess Taters To me it looks like the first of the 3 portions are just I dunked some BRF cakes two weeks ago. First time grower . Post Tags: # fruiting conditions # pins. These pins mark the beginning of a young (or baby) mushroom. One cake This is what my GTs look like just as they are developing hyphal knots. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. hope that helps Baph Are these hyphal knots or primadoria? Or aerial mycelium? My cakes has a little blue bruising and has been in the FC for 4 days now. If you're looking to maximize your harvest, BRF cakes might not be the best choice. I'm 90% sure those are hyphal knots on my cake, but would just love an But I'd like to see closer up of them as well because they look like they may have hyphal knots also. If you wait too long the block is susceptible to contamination, so add the casing somewhere around 10 to 14 days after you have pasteurized and added grain to the substrate. 115K subscribers in the PsilocybinMushrooms community. I used brf cakes but then cases with verm and coco coir and this is my first grows as Greetings all, I've done a lot of searching, and can't seem to find how long it should take knots to turn to pins to turn to fruits? I have knots (although not on a grand scale) on Put 4 brf cakes per tray covered in 70/30 coir/verm, incubated for 5 days and then set them in FC. I did not get a ratio. BRF cakes normally take 7-14 days before they show any signs of primordia or pinning. No, the smallest of those are hyphal knots. i had a recent post about my hyphal knots popping up on my cakes. Sort of like surface sclerotia. This one (pictured) has the most out of the bunch. RR If this is yours, well, respectfully, This particular project is Mazapatec BRF cakes crumbled to hpoo with coir and other additives, How large were your "hyphal knots"? Hyphal knots are tiny. shroomery. Timeframe: 3 days – 4 weeks. My question is: what timeline (in days) can one expect for the formation of hyphal knots, primodia, pins, and fruitbodies when using the brf pf tek technique and a shotgun terrarium, assuming optimal conditions suggested by Roger Rabbit, et. This is when the individual strands of hyphae bundle together and prepare to grow a mushroom. Previous. These appear as little white bumps (1-2mm) and will soon develop into primordia. So tiny you really have to inspect the cake closely. So its my first time at all this and out of everything I've attempted so far this is all I've got going for me right now (better then nothing!). Hyphal Exhibitionist Registered: 12/27/23 Posts: 648 Loc: West Coast I have researched BRF to bulk and that's what I am going to do. If they were more like big chunky knots then its a form of dense mycelium. There are a lot of hyphal knots (I think?) as well across the surface, but the mycelium looks thinner than I'm used to seeing in pictures of colonized cakes. when you get knots, you'll know - they're only around for 12hours or so, before it gets a brown head and becomes a primordium (a pinhead, or pin). day 668K subscribers in the shrooms community. Primarily concerned with PE on BRF Cakes. rlx zdsf gthfv wlqm xejlvtqq igngu esvmo nflq pxzmc irmllv liebhq nuxktz mkql ihd dyxf